• Debating A Ron Paul Libertarian

I ended up debating two libertarians recently; this is the more lucid of the two. Both were angry, both called me a 'liberal' (apparently they know we hate liberalism, so that's their best attempt at insulting a conservative). The bottom line here kids is that libertarians are almost liberals: They are entirely liberal on social issues, as you will see. Libertarians are also furious at the GOP for not nominating Ron Paul. It all comes down to Ron Freakin' Paul. So here is the dialogue from a thread on Facebook. I'm posting a good amount of it, because this is very instructional. Libertarians are not your ally; People like Glenn Beck are the ENEMY of true conservatism.

The issue was originally about the "wilding" mob of youts in Chicago, but Michael quickly moved away from that topic. It was all about me, a conservative, who wasn't as American as he, a Paul-bot libertarian. And that's the reason for this post. It's not about Michael, but the kind of libertarian thinking he represents.


Michael Caulfield: omg.. I had hoped your dumbass woulda moved to some 3rd world, socialist nation by now zulz, you anti American piece of dog crap.. On Easter day, too.. Damn.. it was a great Easter for a while.. Can't win 'em all, I guess...


Jimmy Z Zulz: Michael, call me some more names, would you please? ABC has it now, NPR as well. What's your problem? You don't remember the kids in the 50s used to get in rumbles for no reason at all? Perspective, man. You've lost your perspective. And by the way, I'm more gung ho on America than you are, and more conservative to boot. Now just simmer down.

Michael Caulfield: Zulz..You are gung ho on war..Big government..you love CISPA, the NDAA..You are gung ho on drones..You love foreign aid to rich, tiny nations from the stolen tax $$ of working class Americans..Kids in the 50's didn't gather in groups of several hundred and attack innocent folks riding trains for no reason..But your prospective is that of a liberal, so we shouldn't be surprised..

Zulz is the antithesis of what are founding fathers cherished..Zulz is a fake, in the same vein as Michael Weiner/Savage..A liberal trying to bullshit people into believing he is a conservative..

Zulz preaches that government knows what is best for us, and claims he is a "Reagan conservative"..Darn I think I'm going to be ill now, I better get to bed..

Jimmy Z Zulz: Wow dude, I have never been so poorly represented in a long time. Let's go through them: I am not pro CISPA. I have however pointed out that some of the hysteria surrounding it is not factual.

I do not "love" the NDAA, but the fact is that it does NOT give the feds, the military and the president the ability to detain without warrant citizens of the US IN THE USA. I am all about truth. I detest lies in the name of conservatism. It is beneath us.

Drones are not the threat that many hysterical people say they are - yet. I would keep an eye on them. I think they're a great tool along the border and in certain police situations but I am against drones as daily or nightly observation of the citizenry.

I despise foreign aid in many situation. I do support aid to Israel. Is that what you are referring to? Are you anti-Israel? Please answer.

"Kids in the 50's didn't gather in groups of several hundred and attack innocent folks" -- Many innocents were involved in rumbles with guns. Street toughs were a big problem. So big a problem they made a cartoonish caricature about one in Happy Days. Here's just one story. To say this is new, what happened in Chicago, is just ignorant.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/donotmigrate/3556888/50-years-of-West-Side-Story-the-real-Gangs-of-New-York.html

My perspective is that of a Christian conservative, more conservative than you, because you endorse half truths and dishonesty - I am focused on ONLY that which is true.

Zulz is 100% AAA genuine Texas born and Christian raised conservative American Patriot. There is nothing the least bit liberal about me.

"Zulz preaches that government knows what is best for us" -- An outright lie, totally false. I have never said anything even close to that. If you can find any quote, on Facebook, on my blog, on my show page or in audio on my show where I have said that, I will sign off of Facebook forever.

Yes, you better go to bed. You became ill from all the lies about me you just spewed.

Michael Caulfield: A year ago, the Zulz had a radio show, with a listening audience of about 6..Unfortunately one time, I was #7..The Zulz was rambling (as usual) about how bad Libertarians are because they want to keep their own $$$, and not dole it out to rich, foreign nations..The Zulz also stated he felt government needed to intervene in the issue of gay marriages..The Zulz also told me once he thought CISPA was a good thing, and also NDAA..None of these ideologies are pro liberty, pro freedom, and are contrary to what our founders had in mind for this once great nation..

The Zulz also hates Ron Paul, because Paul KNOWS we are bankrupt as a nation, and can simply not afford to keep sending stolen tax $$$ from Americans to other nations..The Zulz places Israel ahead of America, and knows that this would mean that the tiny, rich nation with the 4th largest nuclear arsenal in the world, would actually have to think about creating an economy for themselves, for the 1st time since 1949..

The Zulz once said something to the effect" Paul would have Israel thrown to the wolves"..How can a nation, the size of Rhode Island, with 100's of nukes, ever be "thrown to the wolves?"..

The Zulz asked me if I am "anti-Israel"..No, I am anti waste and corruption, and I put America 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.

By believing that NDAA, CISPA, foreign aid etc, are necessary, the Zulz DOES preach that government knows what is best for us..Now, hopefully, he will be a man of his word, and sign off Facebook forever, but, I have a sinking feeling, he won't..Liberals never seem to ride off into the sunset..

Jimmy Z Zulz: Okay, we'll have to answer these lies I suppose: (1) I have many, many more than 7 listeners. I have more listeners than that on Podomatic alone. Consider also that my show is carried on at least five internet radio stations. At Internet Radio Top Sites, I average 446 listeners a month - that's at one site. The size of my show is not the point though; quality and content wise I'll put my show up against any of the biggest talk shows in the country, toe to toe. I'm putting out a show that is the template for all internet talk radio.

(2) I have never criticized libertarians on the basis of wanting to pay less in taxes. Ever. I am a small government, tax cutting conservative. I criticize libertarians on the issues of morality, where libertarianism is wanting.

(3) "The Zulz also stated he felt government needed to intervene in the issue of gay marriages" -- Another lie. What I've said is that the government ought NOT intervene on BEHALF of homosexuals FOR homosexual marriage, which is what is happening. See how libertarians mischaracterize what conservatives say? Libertarians are the enemy of conservatism. And THAT I've said many, many times.

(4) "The Zulz also told me once he thought CISPA was a good thing" -- Another lie. I have never said any such thing. I have argued that it's not the monster necessarily that the fear mongering lunatics have painted it to be.

(5) (a) "The Zulz also hates Ron Paul" -- I don't hate anyone, but Ron Paul is a loser, has always been a loser. (b) "Paul KNOWS we are bankrupt as a nation" -- Caulfield is a typical Paulbot; "ONLY Ron Paul knows..." No one else, only Ron Paul. LOL (c) "can simply not afford to keep sending stolen tax $$$ from Americans to other nations" is code terminology for ending our support of the awful Israel - libertarians HATE Israel and believe Israel is the root of all evil in the Middle East. (d) "the tiny, rich nation with the 4th largest nuclear arsenal in the world, would actually have to think about creating an economy for themselves, for the 1st time since 1949." -- See? What did I tell you?

Ron Paul became a Republican and left the Libertarian party for a reason: He could not get any traction as a libertarian. And it turns out he was still a loser as a Republican. And that makes libertarians very angry.

(6) "The Zulz once said something to the effect" Paul would have Israel thrown to the wolves" -- Once again, he proves I'm right. He's angry at me for being a conservative. He's angry because I know that Ron Paul is unelectable for President. He's bitter because Paul is done. Caulfield is a Paulbot.

(7) "By believing that NDAA, CISPA, foreign aid etc, are necessary, the Zulz DOES preach that government knows what is best for us." -- Another lie. You can't get there from here, Cauly. First, there is nothing in the NDAA that does what you claim it does, so the NDAA is out. Second, in CISPA, there is a lot that I am not in favor of (and by the way it's DEAD as of now!). But it's not the end of the republic that you hysterical libertarians paint it to be. Third, I HAVE NEVER even once stated that government knows what is best for us. In case you want to lie about it again, let me state clearly: The People know just fine what is best for them, with a few exceptions: I am 100% against legalizing all drugs, something Paulbots like Caulfield are very supportive of.

(8) You proved nothing, as I predicted, because you had to lie about 14 times. Get away from me. *L*

By the way, I'm going to take the transcription from this thread and post it on my blog. This is very illustrative of the nastiness with which libertarians engage conservatives. It's about time conservatives be informed about how libertarians view them.

Michael Caulfield: I didn't read your Gettysburgh Address dissertation, I can only imagine how dull it must be.

I will let Michael the libertarian have the last word here: "I didn't read" what you wrote. Typical. -Jz